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This is my story detailing my install of a ZC motor in my 1990 Honda CRX Si.  The information is provided purely as informational and is not intended to endorse a product or company nor is it meant to provide direct instruction.  This page last updated on 09/01/2001.

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What did it cost? Phase 1 - Engine Removal Tuning and Performance
ZC Specifications

Phase 2 - Engine Assembly
How to set the ZC timing

Accurate ZC Parts List
(everything you need to replace)
ZC Links on the Web Phase 3 - Engine Installation DX/STD to ZC Wiring
Where To Order Your ZC The GReddy Turbo Project on a ZC Engine
 

Frequently Asked ZC Questions

Q - I've hard that the serial number on the ZC engine can tell you about where it came from?
A
- wil@crx.org tells us that ZCs with a serial number starting with 2 is from Civic/CR-X and with a 5 is 2nd-gen Integra

Q - What clutch do I need for my 88/89/90-91 CRX and what type of flywheel can I use?
A
- Check my transmission page for that information.

Q - What is the difference between the "ZC" ECU and the 88-89 Integra ECU?
A
- The ZC ECU comes from the car that originally had the D16A8/9 (ZC) - thus one would assume that it is "perfectly" matched to the engine.  The 88-89 Integra ECU comes from the, you guess it, 88-89 Integra. This car came with the D16A1 engine that was a 1.6l DOHC engine (no it does not bolt into a second gen) that was very close (but not exactly the same) to the ZC. Since the Integra's are easy to find here in the US that is the reason it is cheaper.

Q - Do I need special mount kits or shift linkage for the ZC swap?
A
- There is no need for mount kits or shift linkage for the ZC swap - it's is "identical" on the mounts and tranny to the D16A6 and D15Bx engines.

Q - I hear that the ZC engines aren't very reliable and have problems.
A - Two issues are at hand here - first is that these are used engines and despite the "30k" number everyone seems to throw around they are still used.  The best thing you can do is ensure that you have a compression test done on your engine prior to having it shipped (expect 160psi or better in each cylinder) and better yet is a "leak down" test that determines through the use of compressed air, how much "leakage" each cylinder has and where it is leaking from.  The second is that you should take the time to not only install it right but also replace all the parts that generally can be easily replaced (see a list of those parts here).  Also try to get a newer engine (1991) engine if possible (check below for how to look for manufacture year markings)

Q - Do I need to rebuild the engine prior to putting it in?
A - This is really your choice.  There is no doubt rebuilding it will add some life and reliability to the engine but in my opinion, the internals are generally fine (though leak down and compression tests would be a better way to determine this).  If you plan on going forced induction with a turbo at something above 10psi then rebuilding with a better bottom end would be highly recommended.

Q - I hear that these engines come with broken parts - is that true?
A - Yes it is true.  Not always but some engines come with various different parts broken - pulleys, sensors, throttle bodies and so forth.  Is it a major problem?  Not really, just replace the items with the stock items (such at the throttle body) or make a trip to the junk yard and get the affected part.

Q - I'd rather do a B-Series swap than a ZC swap.
A - By all means do it!  The B-Series swaps are much greater horse power (as much as the 160hp range) but with that also comes much greater cost and complexity with B series swaps running well over $2000 without installation.  I feel most people with reasonable technical skills should be able to swap in the ZC no problem.

Q - Do I need an Integra ECU for my ZC to work?  Does it work better?
A - Even though you don't need a new ECU the engine does run better with the Integra ECU.  You can purchase one from a Junk Yard or have your current ECU re-programmed (Si owners) by Zdyne (http://www.zdyne.com).  The reason the 88-89 Integra is used is because that car came with the D16A1 engine, which was DOHC and very similar to the D16A8/9 (ZC).

Q - Do I need to purchase the ZC Transmission to work with the ZC engine?
A - Your current HF/DX/Si transmission will fit up to the ZC engine just fine.  The advantage to the ZC transmission is it's equal length shafts (you must purchase new half-shafts for the ZC transmission) and it's lower gearing.  The major issue with the ZC transmission is the short 5th gear - though you can take the internals from an Si and ZC transmission and mate them together.  Exact ratios and clutch information can be found on my transmission page.

Q - Is $xxxx to much for a ZC Swap?
A - The answer to this depends - primarily on where you live and the if qualified people live in your area to perform your swap.  The general "going" rate is about $500-600 for labor only by someone who is "very" qualified.  I would not pay someone that has not done a swap to do your swap.

Q - I have a DX (Civic or CRX) and would like to do a ZC swap - can I?
A - Sure!  Just take a look at the DX swap page for more information.  Other than the additional wiring, it's the standard swap.  Make sure you know EXACTLY which wires need to be spliced to which wires BEFORE you start.

The packing on the engine was pretty good with shrink wrap (not shown) and metal banding to hold it down.

Wonder exactly how "old" your ZC engine is?  If you look between the 2nd and 3rd cylinder (above the dipstick), above the header, you will see the 2 digit date stamp of manufacture.  This engine is 1988.

If at a later point you decide that a ZC engine isn't doing it for you - switch to the Damion powered engine.  This Damion powered CRX dyno'ed at an incredible 230hp at the wheels when fueled only 500 calorie Burger King Whoppers!

 

Where To Order Your ZC

Check my JDM Importers Web Page for a complete list of companies that will import ZC engines.

Expect to pay about $450-$650 for a long block with the intake/exhaust manifold and distributor.  You might also expect to have a broken throttle body or other items, so don't be surprised.

 

What Did It Cost?

Everyone will tell you that it was, oh, $600 to pop in their ZC swap.  I don't "half-ass" too much and this swap wasn't any different.  Here are ALL the costs of the swap that I incurred:

ZC Engine from Soshin Motors $550
Engine Shipping $73
Oil &Filter (Mobil-1), Engine Cleaners $39
Transmission Oil and Antifreeze $34
ACT Clutch from R&E Racing $276
Bosh O2 Sensor $35
"New" Radiator $175
"Pulled" Integra ECU $108
Rear & Crank Shaft Seals $35
Water Pump $54
One More Mount $35
Fuel Injector Seal Kit (all four) $32
A/C and Alternator Belts $32

Total

$1478
 

Tuning and Performance Suggestions

My first impressions of the swap?  I am amazed at the quite idle of the ZC - I'm not sure if this is due to the new engine mounts or just the ZC, all I know is it is quite!  After getting out on the road I decided to give it a few full throttle runs.  Now, previously with the stock engine I could "squeal wheels" through part of first if I ran it all the way up to redline but nothing exciting.  With the ZC in (and a new clutch) I can "squeal wheels" all the way though first and part of the way into second - mind you this is NOT normal driving for me.  Overall response is much better even in lower RPM's.  This IS the engine that should have been in the USDM CRX Si.  Listed below is my gas mileage prior and after the ZC swap (as they say - your mileage may vary - and I know other people that have better and worse mileage with the ZC):

Date Odom US Gals Price Paid Price/Gal Miles MPG Notes
11/15/99 127,638 8.708 $10.27 1.18 306 35.14 Stock
11/27/99 127,875 7.2 $9.15 1.27 237 32.92 Replaced Fuel Filter
12/11/99 128,164 8.202 $10.00 1.22 289 35.24  Stock
12/17/99 128,446 8.804 $10.73 1.22 282 32.03  Stock
12/27/99 128,705 7.619 $10.51 1.38 259 33.99 Stock Motor
01/12/00 128,928 8.44 $11.81 1.40 223 26.42 Swap Done Here - 93 Octane
01/19/00 129,182 8.396 $11.07 1.32 254 30.25 ZC Post Swap - 89 Octane
01/26/00 129,446 9.013 $11.53 1.28 264 29.29 ZC 87 Octane
02/11/00 129,674 7.301 $9.34 1.28 228 31.23 ZC 87 Octane

ZC Specs

The following are the ZC (D16A8) specs to the best of my knowledge

Item Metric Measurement English Measurement
Bore and Stroke 75 x 90 mm 2.95 x 3.54 in
Compression Ratio

9.1 without Catalytic Converter
9.5 with Catalytic Converter

Displacement 1.590 cm3 (cc) 97 cubic inches
Horse Power ~125ps at 6800 RPM
Valve Train

4 Valves Per Cylinder - 16 Total

 

ZC Parts List and Part Cross Reference

Anything with a Honda part number is the item I purchased and actually fit into the ZC engine.  I can not be held responsible for errors in this list even though I have made every effort to make sure everything is correct.  Just a note - if anything has a SH3 then it's an 88-91 CRX part (more than likely).  Any item that is in RED should be considered a required part for replacement.  If you are willing to mail order and wait a week or two you can save the sales tax and get a cheaper price if you get your parts from these folks:

Honda Parts (indicated in chart below)
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com  1-800-341-4113
(I've had very good service from these folks and their on-line web site is great!)
http://www.hparts.com - I've never used them

Acura Parts (indicated in chart below)
http://www.onelovemedia.com/naples - or 1-800-79ACURA talk with Mike K in Parts
http://www.ahmotor.com

Part Source Part Number Honda
Part
Acura
Part
List Price Notes
Alternator Belt 88-91 CRX 31110-PM5-305 X   15.13  
A/C Belt 88-91 CRX 38920-PM5-A04 X   15.13 This is for a Denso compressor but yours may be different.
Timing Belt 1988 Prelude 2.0 Si 14400-PK2-004 X   33.58  
Engine Mounts 88-91 CRX 50821-SH3-040
50805-SH3-030
50810-SH3-040
50840-SH3-000
X   64.25
58.58
52.85
36.60
Do yourself a favor and replace them - they'll be bad.
Thermostat 88-91 CRX 19300-PM3-003 X   13.67  
Crank Seal 89 Integra 91212-PE0-662   X 18.63 80x10mm
Rear Main Seal 89 Integra 91214-PH3-751   X 13.28 31x46mm
Cam Oil Seals 89 Integra 91203-PG6-013   X 4.77 Need 2 seals
Valve Cover Gasket 89 Integra     X    
Radiator Hose Upper & Lower 1984 Accord - Top
88-91CRX-Bottom
19501-PD2-000
19502-PM3-000
X   22.05
22.63
The top hose must be trimmed.
Distributor Cap & Rotor   30102-PM5-305
(Integra Part note the PM5)
X X   Oddly the OEM Integra cap didn't fit but the Si one did.  You got me...
Exhaust Gasket 89 Integra 18110-PG6-003   X 15.68  
Water Pump 89-91 CRX 19200-P01-004 X   58.83  
Oil Filter 88-89 Integra
88-91 CRX
15400-PR3-004         Fram PH3539A         X X Varies  
Spark Plug Wires 1989 Integra 32722-PG7-A00   X 42.00 You can get aftermarket.  The CRX plugwires sit about 1" off the valve cover.
Throttle Body & TP Sensor 1989-91 CRX

1988-89 Acura Integra with the D16A1 engine

N/A X X About 40-70 at the junk yard or $300 from dealer Use your old TB if you have an Si or make a trip to the junk yard if you have a DX - you'll have to get a new TB.
ECU (OK) 1989-91 
CRX/Civic Si
N/A        
ECU (Better) 1988-89 Integra 37820-PG7-A013
The part number may vary depending on the year.
    Junkyard
~100.00
Must be 5-speed ECU
ECU (Best) 1989-1991 ZC 37820-PM7-0330
(Not verified)
    $150-$200 112mph
Speed Limit
(did not purchase)
ECU  Your Current ECU

www.zdyne.com

    Call Zydne will "make" your current ECU into a ZC ECU.
Spark Plugs 88-89Integra               98-91 CRX  NGK BCPR6E-11 X X    
Head Gasket 89 Integra 12251-PM7-003   X    
Intake Gasket 89 Integra 17105-PG6-S00   X    
Si Pressure Plate / Disk     X     See the tranny page
Si Throw Out Bearing     X     See the tranny page
Exhaust Header 88-91 CRX/Civic  DC Sports  or Kamikaze from ARD Performance

Stock 88-91 Header with modification
    After Market $200 to $400

or Stock

Check here for info on how to modify your stock header/exhaust manifold
Oil Pan Gasket 88-91CRX/Civic Can use aftermarket X     I have verified this part
Cam Angle Sensor 88-89 Integra Use Junkyard Replacement   X $5 - $30 Only if shipped with damaged sensor.
Distributor 88/89 Integra Use Junkyard replacement   X ~$100-150  
 

Links to other ZC pages on the Net

Be sure to look around at ALL the resources on the web before starting your swap.  I think you will find mostly correct information and some wrong information so be careful.

Page Title URL Link Comments
ZC Info Page http://www.quickhonda.net/ Good re-build info
ZC to Si Swap http://www.geocities.com/civiczc/zcswap2.html Great Step-By-Step Details
ZC L3 Transmission Information http://www.geocities.com/tjsite/l3.htm  
ZC Information http://www.wco.com/%7Esosteen/mycrx.htm Some general information
ZC Swap http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Lane/4353/ZC_Swap2.html A swap done pretty much like mine - by a mechanic.  After market info.
Generic ZC Page http://members.xoom.com/zceas/defcon4/zc/zc.htm Lots of Spec sheets
"THE" CRX Shop Manual http://www.helminc.com/ Helms Manual
"ZC" D16A8 Shop Manual Well, me and my friend in the UK, Joe Prentice, where going to start selling a manual he found in the UK for a rebadged Honda Concerto that came with the ZC's UK counterpart, the D16A8, this is a Haynes Manual for the 216 & 416 Rover, available ONLY in the UK and we didn't know that anyone can buy this manual straight from the Haynes(UK) website and have this shipped to your door for like $40 U.S. or like $65 CAN, so we decided to just let the world know of the good news and let any interested party buy the manual DIRECT from Haynes and not thru us, anyhow, the manual covers the D16A6 as well as the D16A8 (UK's ZC) in very good detail, I have an original copy that Joe Prentice sent me to evaluate and see if it was going to be useful for us U.S. and CAN ZC Owners, and it really is, this manual has ALL the Torque Specs for the ZC plus it explains overhaul procedures and all, it has been very useful to me, since I'm doing a rebuild on my ZC, the only difference I have found between the ZC we have and the D16A8 is the way the D16A8's Main Bearing caps are, our ZC's has a one piece main cap 'bridge', the D16A8 has something similar to what holds the cams together in the head, but THAT'S IT, no more differences that I have found, I really recommend this manual to anyone that has or is planning to own a ZC, it's a must have, along with the Helms for your car...

Here is the link for  http://www.haynes.co.uk/inc/mt_manuals.asp?stage=1

This is the info to order it: Choose ROVER from the Menu and click 'GO', then on the Model Menu, click on 216 and then 'GO' On the next Menu, click on the manual for the 216 & 416, this is the manual you want. 
 
"Swaps" Page www.geocities.com/crx288 This is a page with various CRX swaps.  As always - be sure to verify the information.

 

All content copyright David Moore 2000, 2001